The economic depression had which begun in1890 reached its peak in 1893. Victoria and Melbourne was hardest hit as the 1880s Land Boom collapsed.
28% of trade unionists were without work and probably more than a third of Melbourne breadwinners unemployed*
Families unable to pay their rent or make their mortgage repayments were thrown out onto the streets. Then, there was no financial safety net provided by Government.
Unemployment greatly affected the football club's revenue. Clubs were trying to save money and cutting the funding of the Reserves was one way of doing that.
In 1892 many VFA clubs did not field a Reserves team, and this came to head early in the season of 1893, when, after a few rounds, the VFA abandoned the Reserves or Second Twenty competition completly.
Carlton tried its best to hang on to its Second Twenty and the secretary E. Penny tried to arrange games with junior clubs. A few games were played on an ad-hoc basis, but to no avail.
So the VFA clubs turned to a local junior club to act as a reserve or feeder side to the senior team.
.* emelbourne.net.au
Below is the final VFA 1892 reserve/second twenty ladder which had only 7 clubs competing.
Carlton Juniors and/or Carlton District were probably the feeders for the senior club until the establishment of the VFL Reserve Competition.
Further research is required into these competitions.
1893: The VFA reserves comp. was disbanded on July 14. The reason is not given, but Victoria's severe economic depression due to the crash of the land boom probably was the catalyst.
1894: Carlton Juniors? see Herald July 06 p3 VJFA B section Argus May 07 p6
1897: Royal Crescent/ Royal Park Crescent, was Carlton's junior team this season. (Herald May 07 p3)
1898: Melbourne Juniors (VJFA) play on the Carlton ground.
1899: Melbourne Jnrs home grnd Carlton C.G. Herald May 05 p2 said,"The team practice at the corner of Exhibition and Lonsdale Streets each Tuesday and Thursday evening."
1900: Carlton has taken the Carlton Juniors under their wing and will allow the juniors to train on the Carlton ground. (Herald May 04) Victoria Junior Football Assocation.
1900: Carlton Jnrs v Footscray Jnrs on the Brunswick C. G. June 30
1900: Carlton Jnrs v Melb. Jnrs at Carlton C. G. July 28
1901: Footscray Jnrs. v Carlton Jnrs.at Footscray. McGuiness, Bass, Ryan, Browne, Fyan, Topping, Jones, Mitchell, Prescott, Robertson (Capt), W. Seath, Laidlaw, Shaw, O'Dea, McAndrews, Edwards, Davis, McLean.Foots won, 6.10 - 1.6
1902: Carlton jnrs to play Burnley at Burnley Herald Fri April 18 p2 Herald May 02 p2
1902: Carlton jnrs to play Carlton Monday April 22 at 3pm
1902: The Herald April 25 p7; Writing about the V.J.F.A. "Carlton is still under the wing of the Carlton seniors and play on the Carlton Oval." J.Berry secretary, J. Williams (delegate)
J. Berry (1907) in letter to the editor said he was secretary of the Juniors for 5 years from its inception. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198616288 (see 1907 below)
May 03 v Fitzroy Robertson (c), Gilchrist, Hood, Prescott, Lazarus, Eastmont, Schimke, Mitchell, Fyans, Gyles, Sharp, W. Seith, Gorsuch, Carney, Delaney, Kelly, Martin, Topping. Umpire F. Roche
Carlton lost 3.10.28 - 4.6.30
1903: Finished third on the ladder
1904: Harry Powell was given a permit to transfer from Carlton to Carlton District in the V.J.F.A. and they played home games at Princes Park. (Carlton Oval)
1904: VJFA 10 clubs; Carlton, Coburg, Collingwood, Fitzroy, Melbourne Juniors, Northcote, Footscray, Rose-of-Northcote, South Melbourne, Yarraville. Fixture Herald 29 April (p4)
1904: Norman Gilchrist (Capt) Jimmy Lovelace (vice capt) , Edie Robertson (former capt), Davis, Nance. Jimmy Franks club trainer.
1906: Herald (June 14 p4) under the heading Juniors, Carlton v Footscray on the Carlton football ground;
Carlton team; (18 named)
Bater, Lovelace, Watt, Steele, O'Connor, Reid, Anderson, Lee, Schwotz, Hennessy, Smithams (Capt), Grant, Mayne, Donnelly, Isaccs, Richards, Richards, McCormack.
Umpire; Sykes
Carlton lost by 32 points.
Carl; 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.2.26
Foots;1.4 4.5 7.9 8.10.58
Goals; Lovelace, Watts, Mayne, McCormack
1907: The CFC committte voted to withdraw suppport for Carlton Juniors use of the Carlton Oval for home matches this season (Age 29 April p9)
1907: Carlton Jnrs competing in the VJFA. (Age April 15 p5) Home ground is now the old Preston ground on which the local Presbyterians used to play.(Herald May 03 p4)
1907: The Age April 27 p16 in a list of fixtures mentions Essendon U.F.A. play Carlton District (Royal Park).on the Essendon ground.
1907: "Carlton District's players (late Royal Park) who will meet the Melbourne Grammar School team on the Carlton Oval tomorrow afternoon are requested to assemble in the pavilion at 2.30 sharp. The District put up a creditible game with Essendon's Association team last Saturday." (Herald May 03 p4)
1907: Carlton Dist. v Melb. from; Barningham, Bell, Blake, Caven, Connan, Evans, Evans, Evans, Grant, Millikin, Mitchell, Mclean, McLean, Numa, Paton, Robertson, Shelley, Smith , Smith, Stevens, Swalling, Triplett, Walker, Youl, Young.
1907: Carlton District are playing in the Melbourne District Association, other teams are Abbotsford, Melbourne Grammar School, University B, Clifton Hill, Melburnians, Hawthorn Rovers and Oakleigh. (Herald May 24/31)
1907: Carlton District ventued to Woodend to play the local team. Best, Numa, Hopze, Keating and Hanslow in Carlton's victory.
1909: Metro. Fixtures Leader April 17 p18
1910: Carlton Dist fixture http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10848121.The Herald June 03 (p3) mentions Carlton District were playing Seymour at Seymour and that the club's secretary was H. Numa.
Bert 'Tracker' Numa played cricket for Carlton and later became the CFC treasurer 1919-1924.
Also in the column it mentions Carlton District playing Collegians on the Carlton Oval in the club's next match.
Numa was Carlton District captain in 1910.
This was in the Metropolitan Junior Association which in 1910 had 10 clubs.
Carlton District, Collingwood District, South Yarra, (Wesley) Collegians, Caulfield, Oakleigh, Beverley (Richmond area club), Hawthorn, University and Leopold (South Melbourne)
Collegians played on the Wesley College ground fronting St.Kilda Rd.
1910; Carlton (minor premiers) played Leopold in the Final as a curtain raiser to the VFL Semi Carlton v S. Melb. Carlton D. wore a white band around the waist because of Leopold's similar colours. Carlton Dist lost by 18 points.
Carlton D lost the Grand Final against Leopold the following week by 39 points.
See Herald April 29 p3 1910
1911: Prahran Teleg. May 06 p2
1911: Carlton Dist.Metro.Assoc.Herald May 19 p3 Herald June 16 p2
1913: Carlton District fixture http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199436225 President W. F. Evans, hon. Treasurer R. Millikin, hon Secetary H. Numa.
1913: Roy Cazaly has left Carlton District for St.Kilda and named in their first round team. Played well on the Saints' back line, was in the ruck at Districts
1914: in July, there were three first class junior associations playing namely, the Melbourne District Association, Metropolitan Amateur Association and the Victorian Junior Association.
Of these the first mentioned was the only body affiliated with the Victorian Football League (the ruling body) and received official recognition as a first-rate football association by that body. (Age March 13 p6 1919)
1915: Carlton District have 8 players enlisted in the AIF based in Egypt. Herald April 01 One Carlton Dist.player, Pvt. G. S. Whitfield 23yo. 87 Cardigan St. Carlton. wounded. (Age May 18)
1915: Due to the War the season was terminated early in July, finals matches played, Carlton D played Coll D. in semi final at EMCG.
1893: Victorian Junior Football Association – V.J.F.A.
April 07
North Melbourne AGM;
April 14 Friday
“All members and intending members of the second twenty of Carlton are requested to turn up for practice at Prince's Park.” (Herald p3)
Carlton Juniors were formed about 1892 and played in the VJFA. Home ground was in Royal Park.
April 15
Carlton Juniors (23) v Footscray on the Western Oval.
Carlton Juniors team; (23 named)
W. Memmott (capt), Crapp, Burns, Eastmure, Holt, Dillon, Weecraft, Pinkeron, O'Shannassy, Randall, Rose, Muir, Burwood, Stewart, Orwin, Stokes, Finlay, Fitzgerald, Anderson, Duff, Roberts, Sharkey, Delagana.
Umpire; Frank Coffey (former Carlton player)
Match drawn.
Carl.Junrs; 1.2, 1.2 3.4, 3.4
Footscray; 1.0, 2.2 2.3, 3.9
Goals; Burns, Stewart
April 18
CARLTON JUNIORS
“They think they will have a stronger team this season than last season. They have about twenty new players this year to pick from, with the majority of their last year's team.
There are three of their players throwing in their lot with the Carlton first twenty, namely, A. Hearnden, best all round man; H. Burwood, splendid follower; O. Smith, splendid back player, also good follower.”
(Herald p3)
April 22
No details
April 29
Carlton Juniors v Carlton on the University ground.
Called Carlton District in the Herald, however W. Memmott is captain.
Carlton Juniors team; (23 named)
W. Memmott (capt), Burns, W. Mitchell, Muir, Rendell, Rose, Stokes, Slattery, Delagana, Holt, Robinson, Walton, Haysom, Murphy, Petherbridge, Caffery, Franks, Thomson, Swan, Leith, Mitchell, Crapp, Houston.
Carlton Juniors lost; 2.4 – 3.5
Goals; Shains(?), Burns
April 29
Carlton second twenty will play a match on Princes Oval at 3pm.
May 02
“Second Twenty Premiership caps given by the V.F.A. presented to the secretary of the South Melbourne second twenty on Friday night. Not to be given again.” (Sportsman p6)
“Olympus” Punch May 18 (p11) 1893
Olympus was one of the journalistic pen-names of George F. Bowen,
one of the founders of the Carlton Football Club.
“Sir Hercules” is former Carlton Captain and President George Robertson.
May 05 Friday
“Carlton have gone in for reconstruction, and have drawn largely on the junior reserves.
Although the majority of the team will make their first appearance in the senior ranks, most of them have won their spurs in the first-rate junior matches, and it is expected they will render a good account of themselves tomorrow.” (Herald p3)
May 06
Round One 1893 VJFA Season
Carlton Juniors v Fitzroy Juniors in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; (18 named)
Orwin, Fitzgerald, Slattery, Delagana, Anderson, Stewart, Wright, Sharkey, Rose, Burns, Robson, Muir, Mitchell, Dillon, Stokes, Ruddell, Memmott, Holt
Umpire; F. Farr
Carlton Juniors lost. 1.1 - 2.6
Goal; Rose
Best; Orwin (BOG)
May 13
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown
Carlton Juniors lost, 2 – 5
May 13
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown at Williamstown
Carlton Juniors team; (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Barrass, Burns, D. Dillon, F. Delagana, Eastmure, Fitzgerald, Holt, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell, Orwin, Randall, Ruddell, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Wright, D. Williams, Dudley, Swift, Robinson.
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Junior team (20 named, Saturday's Herald)
Anderson, Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Holt, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Sigmont, Tulloch, Wright, Dudley, Kent.
Carlton Juniors lost, 2.2 – 5.4
Goals; Gallie (?), Fitzgerald.
Ladder “Olympus” Punch May 18 (p11) 1893
May 21
Carlton Juniors v Union Jack at the Juniors' home ground in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team, (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Hartley, Holt, Holt, Holt, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell (?). Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Thompson, Williams, Wright.
Umpire; W. H. Thompson
Carlton Juniors team; (20 named, Saturday Herald)
Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Hartley, Holt, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Farquar.
Carlton Juniors won, 3.8 – 2.4
Goals, Muir, Wright, Legge.
Best; Burns, Stewart, Bill Sharkey, Dick Wright, Frank Delagana, Slattery, Sigmont, Tulloch, George Orwin,.
May 27
Carlton Juniors v Marylebone at Middle Park
Carlton Juniors team, (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson Burns, Barrass, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Hartley, Gathe? , Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell, Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe,Wright, Williams.
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Juniors lost, 0 -3
VJFA Ladder A Section
Carlton Juniors eighth, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3, Drawn 0, Goals For 6, Goals Against 12, Points 4
May 30 Tuesday
Carlton Second Twenty v North Melbourne Second Twenty
Carlton won 2 – 0
This is the first mention of Carlton's second twenty this season. (Sportsman p6)
June 03
Carlton Juniors v Edlington at Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; ( 20 named, Herald)
Burns, Barrass, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Holt, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Kirus?
Umpire; H. Bromley
Carlton Juniors won, 8.11 – 2.3
Goals; McCulloch/Tulloch 3, Muir, Curtis, Thorpe, Delagana, Fitzgerald.
VJFA Ladder Section A
Carlton Juniors seventh, Played 5, Won 2, Lost 3, Goals For 14, Goals Against 14, Points 8
Interestingly the VJFA B Section club Rainbow, played their home games on the Carlton Cricket Ground.
This was known as “The Triangle”, a small cricket gound on Sydney Road/Royal Parade. The ground is now part of the Melbourne University.
While the cricketers and Rainbow played there, the Carlton Football Club played just across College Crescent, on the Princes Oval (now Crawford Oval) in the southern end of Princes Park.
June 10
Carton Juniors v University on the University ground.
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald)
Orwin, Fitzgerald, Sigmont, Delagana, Memmont, Holt, Stewart, Thorpe, Tulloch, Wright, Muir, Curtis, Sharkey, Farquar, Legge, Smith, Slattery, Barrass, Burns, Ingram
Carlton Juniors lost by 5 goals
Carlton Juniors 2.3 – 7.1
June 15 Thursday
The VFA Senior Second Twenty Association will hold an important meeting tomorrow evening at the Orient Hotel. (Age p3)
June 17
Carlton Juniors v Coburg at Coburg
Friday's Herald said Carlton Juniors v Essendon Second Twenty in Royal Park
Also, on p3 the Herald said, “Carlton Juniors have a walk-over this week. Fortunate club.”
The Juniors did have walk-over against Coburg.
June 24
Carlton Juniors v Austral in Royal Park
Austral have picked up J. Graham ex Carlton.
Carlton Jnrs recruited, D. Williams from Fitzroy Juniors.
Carlton Juniors team from; (27 named)
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Cameron, Dillon, Delagana, Duon, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Hartley, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Orwin, Slattery, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Williams, Yewers.
Carlton Juniors team; (Saturday Herald) 20 named
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Dillion, Delagana, Farquar, Ingram, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir Orwin, Slattery, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Williams.
Umpire; J. P. McMahon
Carlton Juniors lost by 3 goals
Carlton Juniors 1.2 – 4.10
June 24
Anderson, Augustine, Cameron, Cook, Brodie, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Hansford, Jones, King, Kelly (capt), Leith, Monk, Jacobs, McKeown, Rerdan, Sharp, Rawlings, Stevens, Wilson, Wilson, Thompson, Taylor, Price, Johnson, Halkins, Ryan.
No further details.
Essendon Second Twenty played Marylebone next week. (July 01)
July 01
Carlton Juniors v North Melbourne Juniors in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team from; (26 named)
Barras, Burns, Curtis, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Hartley, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, McKinley, Orwin, Stewart, Sigmont, Smith, Sharkey, Tulloch, Williams, Thorpe, Stokes, Slattery, Yewers.
Carlton Juniors team (Herald)
Burns, Curtis, Dillon, Delagna, Ingram, Legger, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stewart, Smith, Sharkey, Tulloch, Williams, Thorpe, Stokes, Reilly, Traviel,
Umpire; J. McNab
Match drawn
Carlton Juniors 2.2 – 2.3
Goals; Tulloch, Burns
Bill Sharkey, a box of tricks, Delagana played a good all round game, Bob Stewart in the centre was a bit one sided, Tullock (dark blues) nicked the first full points from a difficult angle, “Hopper” Stokes ought to learn the Highland fling, Jim Ingram in great fettle. Made some of them sit up, or vice versa. (Sportsman July 4 p8)
July 04 Tuesday
“Three of the Carlton Second Twenty, Cook, Grant and Leith were picked and performed creditably”
(Herald p8) This was the July 01 senior game Carlton v St.Kilda at St.Kilda
July 08
Carlton Juniors v Fitzroy Juniors at Fitzroy Cricket ground
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald) 20 named
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Delagana, Farquhar, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin,Reilly, Stokes, Stewart, Sharkey, Sigmont, Smith, Tulloch, Thorpe, B. Williams.
Umpire; W. Hayes
Carlton Juniors lost by 2 goals
Carlton Juniors 0.1 – 2.11
July 11 Tuesday
July 15
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald)
Sigmont, Curtis, Slattery, Ingram, Memmott (capt), Barrass, Burns, Delagana, Holt, Legge, Sharkey, Stewart, Stokes, McKinley, Muir, Orwin, Smith, Tulloch, Williams.
Carlton Juniors lost by 3 goals
Carlton Juniors 2.4 – 5.4
Goals; Orwin, Burns
Best; Bill Sharkey, “Lardy” Tulloch, Dave Williams
July 15
Anderson, Augustine, Brown, Brodie, Cook, Camerson, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Hansford, Halkins, Hart, Jones,jacobs, Johnson, Keily, Leith, Monk, McKeown, McInerney, Rerdan, Rawlings, Stevens, Thopmson, Taylor, Wilson. (No Details)
June 18 Tuesday
July 22
Carlton Juniors v Union Jacks at Albert Park
Carlton Juniors team; 15 named
Ingram, Burns, Irwin/Orwin?, Sigmont, Barrass, Holt, Quinlan, Tulloch, Kent, Memmott, Williams, Thorpe, Smith, Muir, Hagen
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Juniors lost by 1 goal
Carlton Juniors 5.4 – 6.2 (Three quarter time 3.4 – 6.2)
Goals; Orwin, Smith, Barrass, Barrows, Vlautin.
July 22
Augustine, Brown, Brodie, Cook, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Halkins, Hansford, Hart, Jones, Jacobs, Johnson, Kelly (capt), King, Monk, McKeown, Rerdan, Rawlings, Thompson, Taylor, Wilson,
July 29
Augustine, Cook, Brown, Downes, Drake, Dunn, Gordon, Gilmour, Finnigan, Halkins, Hansford, Jones, Jacobs, Johnson, Kelly, McKeown, Monk, McInerney, Rerdan, Rawlings, Taylor, Thompson, Wilson.
Team left the Rifle Brigade Hotel at 1.15pm
Result unknown
July 29
Carlton Juniors v Marylebone in Royal Park
Carlton team; (20 named)
Barrass, Burns, Memmott (capt), Ingram, Smith, Sharkey, Thorpe, Stewart, Holt, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Curtis, Muir, Orwin, Randall, Quinlan, Sigmont, McKinley, Hanna, Kent.
Carlton Juniors lost by 1 goal
Carlton Juniors, 2.4 – 3.5
August 05
No details Carlton Juniors or Carlton Second Twenty
August 12
Carlton Juniors v University in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team (Saturday's Herald)
Barrass, Burns, Delagana, Hannah, Sigmont, Smith, Smith, Ingram, Thorpe, Sharkey, Williams, Williams, Muir, Kent, Fitzgerald, Stewart, Quinlan, Legge, Dillon, Thommond.
Carlton Juniors won by 5 goals
Carlton Juniors 7.4 – 2.2 (Three Qtr time Carlton Jnrs 5.1 – 2.2)
Goals; Delagana 2, Sharkey, Smith, Legge, Burns, Thornman
August 19
Carlton Second Twenty team; (25 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Augustine, Brown, Cook, Dally, Downes, Flannery, Gordon, Halkins, Hansford, Jacobs, Hughes, Johnson, Kelly, Monk, McKeown, Cray, Rerdan, Rawlings, Toumey, Taylor, Thompson, Williams, Williams.
No details
August 26
Carlton Juniors v Austral at Royal Park
No team details
Carlton Juniors lost by 2 goals
Carlton Juniors, 1.6 – 3.5
Goal; Sharkey
September 02
Final Home & Away Game
Carlton Juniors v North Melbourne Juniors in Royal Park
Walk-over for North Melbourne, Carlton Juniors failed to turn up.
However, a dispute arose over which team was to blame. Seems that Carlton thought the game was in Royal Park and North thought the game was at Arden Street.
It was declared a draw and both teams were awarded 2 points each. (Friday Sept 08 Herald p3)
Final Ladder Argus September 04
28% of trade unionists were without work and probably more than a third of Melbourne breadwinners unemployed*
Families unable to pay their rent or make their mortgage repayments were thrown out onto the streets. Then, there was no financial safety net provided by Government.
Unemployment greatly affected the football club's revenue. Clubs were trying to save money and cutting the funding of the Reserves was one way of doing that.
In 1892 many VFA clubs did not field a Reserves team, and this came to head early in the season of 1893, when, after a few rounds, the VFA abandoned the Reserves or Second Twenty competition completly.
Carlton tried its best to hang on to its Second Twenty and the secretary E. Penny tried to arrange games with junior clubs. A few games were played on an ad-hoc basis, but to no avail.
So the VFA clubs turned to a local junior club to act as a reserve or feeder side to the senior team.
.* emelbourne.net.au
Below is the final VFA 1892 reserve/second twenty ladder which had only 7 clubs competing.
Note:
Carlton had a Reserves or Second Twenty from 1866 to 1893. Details of these games are hard to find, many results and players are unknown. What we have found, are in the Pre VFL year pages alongside the Senior teams details. Players from these Reserves sides are also listed alongside the Senior teams players in the Pre VFL Players section of Blueseum.Carlton Juniors and/or Carlton District were probably the feeders for the senior club until the establishment of the VFL Reserve Competition.
Further research is required into these competitions.
1893: The VFA reserves comp. was disbanded on July 14. The reason is not given, but Victoria's severe economic depression due to the crash of the land boom probably was the catalyst.
1894: Carlton Juniors? see Herald July 06 p3 VJFA B section Argus May 07 p6
1897: Royal Crescent/ Royal Park Crescent, was Carlton's junior team this season. (Herald May 07 p3)
1898: Melbourne Juniors (VJFA) play on the Carlton ground.
1899: Melbourne Jnrs home grnd Carlton C.G. Herald May 05 p2 said,"The team practice at the corner of Exhibition and Lonsdale Streets each Tuesday and Thursday evening."
1900: Carlton has taken the Carlton Juniors under their wing and will allow the juniors to train on the Carlton ground. (Herald May 04) Victoria Junior Football Assocation.
1900: Carlton Jnrs v Footscray Jnrs on the Brunswick C. G. June 30
1900: Carlton Jnrs v Melb. Jnrs at Carlton C. G. July 28
1901: Footscray Jnrs. v Carlton Jnrs.at Footscray. McGuiness, Bass, Ryan, Browne, Fyan, Topping, Jones, Mitchell, Prescott, Robertson (Capt), W. Seath, Laidlaw, Shaw, O'Dea, McAndrews, Edwards, Davis, McLean.Foots won, 6.10 - 1.6
1902: Carlton jnrs to play Burnley at Burnley Herald Fri April 18 p2 Herald May 02 p2
1902: Carlton jnrs to play Carlton Monday April 22 at 3pm
1902: The Herald April 25 p7; Writing about the V.J.F.A. "Carlton is still under the wing of the Carlton seniors and play on the Carlton Oval." J.Berry secretary, J. Williams (delegate)
J. Berry (1907) in letter to the editor said he was secretary of the Juniors for 5 years from its inception. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198616288 (see 1907 below)
May 03 v Fitzroy Robertson (c), Gilchrist, Hood, Prescott, Lazarus, Eastmont, Schimke, Mitchell, Fyans, Gyles, Sharp, W. Seith, Gorsuch, Carney, Delaney, Kelly, Martin, Topping. Umpire F. Roche
Carlton lost 3.10.28 - 4.6.30
1903: Finished third on the ladder
1904: Harry Powell was given a permit to transfer from Carlton to Carlton District in the V.J.F.A. and they played home games at Princes Park. (Carlton Oval)
1904: VJFA 10 clubs; Carlton, Coburg, Collingwood, Fitzroy, Melbourne Juniors, Northcote, Footscray, Rose-of-Northcote, South Melbourne, Yarraville. Fixture Herald 29 April (p4)
1904: Norman Gilchrist (Capt) Jimmy Lovelace (vice capt) , Edie Robertson (former capt), Davis, Nance. Jimmy Franks club trainer.
1906: Herald (June 14 p4) under the heading Juniors, Carlton v Footscray on the Carlton football ground;
Carlton team; (18 named)
Bater, Lovelace, Watt, Steele, O'Connor, Reid, Anderson, Lee, Schwotz, Hennessy, Smithams (Capt), Grant, Mayne, Donnelly, Isaccs, Richards, Richards, McCormack.
Umpire; Sykes
Carlton lost by 32 points.
Carl; 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.2.26
Foots;1.4 4.5 7.9 8.10.58
Goals; Lovelace, Watts, Mayne, McCormack
1907: The CFC committte voted to withdraw suppport for Carlton Juniors use of the Carlton Oval for home matches this season (Age 29 April p9)
1907: Carlton Jnrs competing in the VJFA. (Age April 15 p5) Home ground is now the old Preston ground on which the local Presbyterians used to play.(Herald May 03 p4)
1907: The Age April 27 p16 in a list of fixtures mentions Essendon U.F.A. play Carlton District (Royal Park).on the Essendon ground.
1907: "Carlton District's players (late Royal Park) who will meet the Melbourne Grammar School team on the Carlton Oval tomorrow afternoon are requested to assemble in the pavilion at 2.30 sharp. The District put up a creditible game with Essendon's Association team last Saturday." (Herald May 03 p4)
1907: Carlton Dist. v Melb. from; Barningham, Bell, Blake, Caven, Connan, Evans, Evans, Evans, Grant, Millikin, Mitchell, Mclean, McLean, Numa, Paton, Robertson, Shelley, Smith , Smith, Stevens, Swalling, Triplett, Walker, Youl, Young.
1907: Carlton District are playing in the Melbourne District Association, other teams are Abbotsford, Melbourne Grammar School, University B, Clifton Hill, Melburnians, Hawthorn Rovers and Oakleigh. (Herald May 24/31)
1907: Carlton District ventued to Woodend to play the local team. Best, Numa, Hopze, Keating and Hanslow in Carlton's victory.
1909: Metro. Fixtures Leader April 17 p18
1910: Carlton Dist fixture http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10848121.The Herald June 03 (p3) mentions Carlton District were playing Seymour at Seymour and that the club's secretary was H. Numa.
Bert 'Tracker' Numa played cricket for Carlton and later became the CFC treasurer 1919-1924.
Also in the column it mentions Carlton District playing Collegians on the Carlton Oval in the club's next match.
Numa was Carlton District captain in 1910.
This was in the Metropolitan Junior Association which in 1910 had 10 clubs.
Carlton District, Collingwood District, South Yarra, (Wesley) Collegians, Caulfield, Oakleigh, Beverley (Richmond area club), Hawthorn, University and Leopold (South Melbourne)
Collegians played on the Wesley College ground fronting St.Kilda Rd.
1910; Carlton (minor premiers) played Leopold in the Final as a curtain raiser to the VFL Semi Carlton v S. Melb. Carlton D. wore a white band around the waist because of Leopold's similar colours. Carlton Dist lost by 18 points.
Carlton D lost the Grand Final against Leopold the following week by 39 points.
See Herald April 29 p3 1910
1911: Prahran Teleg. May 06 p2
1911: Carlton Dist.Metro.Assoc.Herald May 19 p3 Herald June 16 p2
1913: Carlton District fixture http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199436225 President W. F. Evans, hon. Treasurer R. Millikin, hon Secetary H. Numa.
1913: Roy Cazaly has left Carlton District for St.Kilda and named in their first round team. Played well on the Saints' back line, was in the ruck at Districts
1914: in July, there were three first class junior associations playing namely, the Melbourne District Association, Metropolitan Amateur Association and the Victorian Junior Association.
Of these the first mentioned was the only body affiliated with the Victorian Football League (the ruling body) and received official recognition as a first-rate football association by that body. (Age March 13 p6 1919)
1915: Carlton District have 8 players enlisted in the AIF based in Egypt. Herald April 01 One Carlton Dist.player, Pvt. G. S. Whitfield 23yo. 87 Cardigan St. Carlton. wounded. (Age May 18)
1915: Due to the War the season was terminated early in July, finals matches played, Carlton D played Coll D. in semi final at EMCG.
Carlton Juniors and the Carlton Second Twenty details both appear on this page.
1893: Victorian Junior Football Association – V.J.F.A.
April 07
North Melbourne AGM;
“Many innovations are contemplated this season, one of the pricipal being the disbandment of the second twenty. As several of the clubs last season did away with their “second string,” and Geelong have followed suit this season, it is reasonable to suppose that second twenties have outlived their usefulness, and will be reckoned among the things that have been.”
(North Melbourne Advertiser p3)April 14 Friday
“All members and intending members of the second twenty of Carlton are requested to turn up for practice at Prince's Park.” (Herald p3)
Carlton Juniors were formed about 1892 and played in the VJFA. Home ground was in Royal Park.
April 15
Carlton Juniors (23) v Footscray on the Western Oval.
Carlton Juniors team; (23 named)
W. Memmott (capt), Crapp, Burns, Eastmure, Holt, Dillon, Weecraft, Pinkeron, O'Shannassy, Randall, Rose, Muir, Burwood, Stewart, Orwin, Stokes, Finlay, Fitzgerald, Anderson, Duff, Roberts, Sharkey, Delagana.
Umpire; Frank Coffey (former Carlton player)
Match drawn.
Carl.Junrs; 1.2, 1.2 3.4, 3.4
Footscray; 1.0, 2.2 2.3, 3.9
Goals; Burns, Stewart
April 18
CARLTON JUNIORS
“They think they will have a stronger team this season than last season. They have about twenty new players this year to pick from, with the majority of their last year's team.
There are three of their players throwing in their lot with the Carlton first twenty, namely, A. Hearnden, best all round man; H. Burwood, splendid follower; O. Smith, splendid back player, also good follower.”
(Herald p3)
April 22
No details
April 29
Carlton Juniors v Carlton on the University ground.
Called Carlton District in the Herald, however W. Memmott is captain.
Carlton Juniors team; (23 named)
W. Memmott (capt), Burns, W. Mitchell, Muir, Rendell, Rose, Stokes, Slattery, Delagana, Holt, Robinson, Walton, Haysom, Murphy, Petherbridge, Caffery, Franks, Thomson, Swan, Leith, Mitchell, Crapp, Houston.
Carlton Juniors lost; 2.4 – 3.5
Goals; Shains(?), Burns
April 29
Carlton second twenty will play a match on Princes Oval at 3pm.
May 02
“Second twenties are being gradually abolished.
It pays seniors better to subsidise junior club” (Sportsman p6)“Second Twenty Premiership caps given by the V.F.A. presented to the secretary of the South Melbourne second twenty on Friday night. Not to be given again.” (Sportsman p6)
“Olympus” Punch May 18 (p11) 1893
Olympus was one of the journalistic pen-names of George F. Bowen,
one of the founders of the Carlton Football Club.
“Sir Hercules” is former Carlton Captain and President George Robertson.
May 05 Friday
“Carlton have gone in for reconstruction, and have drawn largely on the junior reserves.
Although the majority of the team will make their first appearance in the senior ranks, most of them have won their spurs in the first-rate junior matches, and it is expected they will render a good account of themselves tomorrow.” (Herald p3)
May 06
Round One 1893 VJFA Season
Carlton Juniors v Fitzroy Juniors in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; (18 named)
Orwin, Fitzgerald, Slattery, Delagana, Anderson, Stewart, Wright, Sharkey, Rose, Burns, Robson, Muir, Mitchell, Dillon, Stokes, Ruddell, Memmott, Holt
Umpire; F. Farr
Carlton Juniors lost. 1.1 - 2.6
Goal; Rose
Best; Orwin (BOG)
May 13
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown
Carlton Juniors lost, 2 – 5
May 13
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown at Williamstown
Carlton Juniors team; (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Barrass, Burns, D. Dillon, F. Delagana, Eastmure, Fitzgerald, Holt, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell, Orwin, Randall, Ruddell, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Wright, D. Williams, Dudley, Swift, Robinson.
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Junior team (20 named, Saturday's Herald)
Anderson, Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Holt, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Sigmont, Tulloch, Wright, Dudley, Kent.
Carlton Juniors lost, 2.2 – 5.4
Goals; Gallie (?), Fitzgerald.
Ladder “Olympus” Punch May 18 (p11) 1893
May 21
Carlton Juniors v Union Jack at the Juniors' home ground in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team, (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Hartley, Holt, Holt, Holt, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell (?). Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Thompson, Williams, Wright.
Umpire; W. H. Thompson
Carlton Juniors team; (20 named, Saturday Herald)
Barrass, Burns, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Hartley, Holt, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Farquar.
Carlton Juniors won, 3.8 – 2.4
Goals, Muir, Wright, Legge.
Best; Burns, Stewart, Bill Sharkey, Dick Wright, Frank Delagana, Slattery, Sigmont, Tulloch, George Orwin,.
May 27
Carlton Juniors v Marylebone at Middle Park
Carlton Juniors team, (28 named)
Anderson, Anderson Burns, Barrass, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Hartley, Gathe? , Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Mitchell, Orwin, Rose, Stokes, Stewart, Slattery, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe,Wright, Williams.
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Juniors lost, 0 -3
VJFA Ladder A Section
Carlton Juniors eighth, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3, Drawn 0, Goals For 6, Goals Against 12, Points 4
May 30 Tuesday
Carlton Second Twenty v North Melbourne Second Twenty
Carlton won 2 – 0
This is the first mention of Carlton's second twenty this season. (Sportsman p6)
June 03
Carlton Juniors v Edlington at Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; ( 20 named, Herald)
Burns, Barrass, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Holt, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Kirus?
Umpire; H. Bromley
Carlton Juniors won, 8.11 – 2.3
Goals; McCulloch/Tulloch 3, Muir, Curtis, Thorpe, Delagana, Fitzgerald.
VJFA Ladder Section A
Carlton Juniors seventh, Played 5, Won 2, Lost 3, Goals For 14, Goals Against 14, Points 8
Interestingly the VJFA B Section club Rainbow, played their home games on the Carlton Cricket Ground.
This was known as “The Triangle”, a small cricket gound on Sydney Road/Royal Parade. The ground is now part of the Melbourne University.
While the cricketers and Rainbow played there, the Carlton Football Club played just across College Crescent, on the Princes Oval (now Crawford Oval) in the southern end of Princes Park.
June 10
Carton Juniors v University on the University ground.
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald)
Orwin, Fitzgerald, Sigmont, Delagana, Memmont, Holt, Stewart, Thorpe, Tulloch, Wright, Muir, Curtis, Sharkey, Farquar, Legge, Smith, Slattery, Barrass, Burns, Ingram
Carlton Juniors lost by 5 goals
Carlton Juniors 2.3 – 7.1
June 15 Thursday
The VFA Senior Second Twenty Association will hold an important meeting tomorrow evening at the Orient Hotel. (Age p3)
June 17
Carlton Juniors v Coburg at Coburg
Friday's Herald said Carlton Juniors v Essendon Second Twenty in Royal Park
Also, on p3 the Herald said, “Carlton Juniors have a walk-over this week. Fortunate club.”
The Juniors did have walk-over against Coburg.
June 24
Carlton Juniors v Austral in Royal Park
Austral have picked up J. Graham ex Carlton.
Carlton Jnrs recruited, D. Williams from Fitzroy Juniors.
Carlton Juniors team from; (27 named)
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Cameron, Dillon, Delagana, Duon, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Hartley, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, Orwin, Slattery, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Williams, Yewers.
Carlton Juniors team; (Saturday Herald) 20 named
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Dillion, Delagana, Farquar, Ingram, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir Orwin, Slattery, Stewart, Sharkey, Smith, Sigmont, Tulloch, Thorpe, Wright, Williams.
Umpire; J. P. McMahon
Carlton Juniors lost by 3 goals
Carlton Juniors 1.2 – 4.10
June 24
Carlton Second Twenty v Essendon Second Twenty on the East Melbourne Cricket Ground
Carlton team from; (Herald p3) 29 namedAnderson, Augustine, Cameron, Cook, Brodie, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Hansford, Jones, King, Kelly (capt), Leith, Monk, Jacobs, McKeown, Rerdan, Sharp, Rawlings, Stevens, Wilson, Wilson, Thompson, Taylor, Price, Johnson, Halkins, Ryan.
No further details.
Essendon Second Twenty played Marylebone next week. (July 01)
July 01
Carlton Juniors v North Melbourne Juniors in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team from; (26 named)
Barras, Burns, Curtis, Dillon, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Farquar, Gallie, Hartley, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott, Muir, McKinley, Orwin, Stewart, Sigmont, Smith, Sharkey, Tulloch, Williams, Thorpe, Stokes, Slattery, Yewers.
Carlton Juniors team (Herald)
Burns, Curtis, Dillon, Delagna, Ingram, Legger, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin, Stewart, Smith, Sharkey, Tulloch, Williams, Thorpe, Stokes, Reilly, Traviel,
Umpire; J. McNab
Match drawn
Carlton Juniors 2.2 – 2.3
Goals; Tulloch, Burns
Bill Sharkey, a box of tricks, Delagana played a good all round game, Bob Stewart in the centre was a bit one sided, Tullock (dark blues) nicked the first full points from a difficult angle, “Hopper” Stokes ought to learn the Highland fling, Jim Ingram in great fettle. Made some of them sit up, or vice versa. (Sportsman July 4 p8)
July 04 Tuesday
“Three of the Carlton Second Twenty, Cook, Grant and Leith were picked and performed creditably”
(Herald p8) This was the July 01 senior game Carlton v St.Kilda at St.Kilda
July 08
Carlton Juniors v Fitzroy Juniors at Fitzroy Cricket ground
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald) 20 named
Barrass, Burns, Curtis, Delagana, Farquhar, Holt, Ingram, Legge, Memmott (capt), Muir, Orwin,Reilly, Stokes, Stewart, Sharkey, Sigmont, Smith, Tulloch, Thorpe, B. Williams.
Umpire; W. Hayes
Carlton Juniors lost by 2 goals
Carlton Juniors 0.1 – 2.11
July 11 Tuesday
“The Carlton Second Twenty want to arrange some matches with first-rate juniors.” (Sportsman p6)
(E. Penny Carlton Second Twenty Secretary)July 15
Carlton Juniors v North Williamstown in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team; (Herald)
Sigmont, Curtis, Slattery, Ingram, Memmott (capt), Barrass, Burns, Delagana, Holt, Legge, Sharkey, Stewart, Stokes, McKinley, Muir, Orwin, Smith, Tulloch, Williams.
Carlton Juniors lost by 3 goals
Carlton Juniors 2.4 – 5.4
Goals; Orwin, Burns
Best; Bill Sharkey, “Lardy” Tulloch, Dave Williams
July 15
Carlton Second Twenty v University on the University Ground.
Carlton team;Anderson, Augustine, Brown, Brodie, Cook, Camerson, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Hansford, Halkins, Hart, Jones,jacobs, Johnson, Keily, Leith, Monk, McKeown, McInerney, Rerdan, Rawlings, Stevens, Thopmson, Taylor, Wilson. (No Details)
June 18 Tuesday
“The Senior Second Twenty Association has disbanded."
Players do not require a permit to play with a senior team” (Sportsman p6)July 22
Carlton Juniors v Union Jacks at Albert Park
Carlton Juniors team; 15 named
Ingram, Burns, Irwin/Orwin?, Sigmont, Barrass, Holt, Quinlan, Tulloch, Kent, Memmott, Williams, Thorpe, Smith, Muir, Hagen
Umpire; F. Lucas
Carlton Juniors lost by 1 goal
Carlton Juniors 5.4 – 6.2 (Three quarter time 3.4 – 6.2)
Goals; Orwin, Smith, Barrass, Barrows, Vlautin.
July 22
Carlton Second Twenty v Ascot Vale at Ascot Vale
Carlton team;( Herald 21st p3) 23 namedAugustine, Brown, Brodie, Cook, Dunn, Downes, Grant, Gilmour, Halkins, Hansford, Hart, Jones, Jacobs, Johnson, Kelly (capt), King, Monk, McKeown, Rerdan, Rawlings, Thompson, Taylor, Wilson,
July 29
Carlton Second Twenty v Heidelberg at Heidelberg
Carlton team from; (23 namedAugustine, Cook, Brown, Downes, Drake, Dunn, Gordon, Gilmour, Finnigan, Halkins, Hansford, Jones, Jacobs, Johnson, Kelly, McKeown, Monk, McInerney, Rerdan, Rawlings, Taylor, Thompson, Wilson.
Team left the Rifle Brigade Hotel at 1.15pm
Result unknown
July 29
Carlton Juniors v Marylebone in Royal Park
Carlton team; (20 named)
Barrass, Burns, Memmott (capt), Ingram, Smith, Sharkey, Thorpe, Stewart, Holt, Delagana, Fitzgerald, Curtis, Muir, Orwin, Randall, Quinlan, Sigmont, McKinley, Hanna, Kent.
Carlton Juniors lost by 1 goal
Carlton Juniors, 2.4 – 3.5
August 05
No details Carlton Juniors or Carlton Second Twenty
August 12
Carlton Juniors v University in Royal Park
Carlton Juniors team (Saturday's Herald)
Barrass, Burns, Delagana, Hannah, Sigmont, Smith, Smith, Ingram, Thorpe, Sharkey, Williams, Williams, Muir, Kent, Fitzgerald, Stewart, Quinlan, Legge, Dillon, Thommond.
Carlton Juniors won by 5 goals
Carlton Juniors 7.4 – 2.2 (Three Qtr time Carlton Jnrs 5.1 – 2.2)
Goals; Delagana 2, Sharkey, Smith, Legge, Burns, Thornman
August 19
Carlton Juniors v Carlton Second Twenty on Princes Oval
The Juniors were fixtured to play Coburg, but they disbanded earlier in the season. So the Juniors had a walk-over and played the Carlton Second Twenty who were looking for games.Carlton Second Twenty team; (25 named)
Anderson, Anderson, Augustine, Brown, Cook, Dally, Downes, Flannery, Gordon, Halkins, Hansford, Jacobs, Hughes, Johnson, Kelly, Monk, McKeown, Cray, Rerdan, Rawlings, Toumey, Taylor, Thompson, Williams, Williams.
No details
August 26
Carlton Juniors v Austral at Royal Park
No team details
Carlton Juniors lost by 2 goals
Carlton Juniors, 1.6 – 3.5
Goal; Sharkey
September 02
Final Home & Away Game
Carlton Juniors v North Melbourne Juniors in Royal Park
Walk-over for North Melbourne, Carlton Juniors failed to turn up.
However, a dispute arose over which team was to blame. Seems that Carlton thought the game was in Royal Park and North thought the game was at Arden Street.
It was declared a draw and both teams were awarded 2 points each. (Friday Sept 08 Herald p3)
Final Ladder Argus September 04